You’ll learn so much from this informative discussion of the most misunderstood yet increasingly vital roles in the nonprofit world: interim leadership. Featuring powerhouse guests Joan Brown, Chief Operations Officer at Interim Executives Academy, and Karin Sabey, CEO of Sabey Consulting, the conversation explores why ‘the interim profession is no longer a placeholder, but rather a strategic, transformative force’. From transparent communication with staff to preparing organizations for thoughtful succession, this episode reveals why professional interims aren’t just leaders—they’re lifelines. And if there’s one thing we need in today’s shifting nonprofit landscape, it’s calm within the chaos.

Gone are the days when an “interim” simply kept the lights on. Joan begins with, “We’re at this exciting opportunity to really better define the profession and better define it as a standard of practice.” Interims today are trained professionals who guide organizations through times of transition with precision, empathy, and results-driven methodologies.

Karin paints the role as a “palate cleanser” between leadership tenures, providing organizations with a fresh start—regardless of whether the previous leader left in celebration or crisis. “A long-term leader may have a lot of institutional knowledge stored in their head,” she explains. “An interim helps reset the table for the next leader.”

The duo dig into the details of the importance of methodology and diagnostics, likening it to a toolbox or even a box of Legos. “You can build a house or a spaceship,” says Karin, “depending on what the organization needs.”, pointing out how this kind of customization is key to stabilizing and uplifting organizations during pivotal times.

And what about board understanding? Both Joan and Karin agree—it’s minimal. “Almost no one understands the concept,” Joan shares plainly. But that’s also the opportunity: to educate, align, and inspire boards to embrace what an interim can truly offer. When done right, it’s not just about keeping the ship afloat; it’s about course-correcting, empowering staff, and setting the next leader up for success.

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